I wonder if you could make a hybrid of the two? It's the name of the island ffs. Because for my money blue & grey is not the "same basic livery" as Swallow, neither is NSEs toothpaste anything like the red and cream worn in the 50s. GBR is not quite the same, so they no doubt want it to be seen as distinct; plus, it may not even be possible to call it BR, there might be legal implications (just a guess). On the other hand Avanti's branding is awful - there is no "Italian flair" in it at all. In May 2022, the Government announced proposed legislation to modernise rail services and improve reliability for passengers. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. Likes Received: 1,930. The signs look good, if a bit bland and functional. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago, Not at all. The Double Arrow is used for stations on maps, so that's really a no-brainer frankly. For this new venture a new livery - a paler shade of blue than Rail Blue, with three stripes of white, red and grey - was created with Class 47 No.47573 The London Standard painted in the new livery specifically for the launch ceremony. At present, train operators get to decorate their rolling stock in their own colours. Also on the Eastern Region, Class 55 Deltic locomotives based at Finsbury Park acquired white surrounds to their cab windows. The livery comprised brown upper panels with a colour described variously as "biscuit" or "fawn" along the lower panels and separated by a broad orange band. [11][12], The location for GBR's headquarters is currently being determined. Judging from the signage and station painting they will choose something somewhere between boring and ugly, and we will be stuck with it everywhere, for ages. The government has promised to base the organisation outside London to promote economic growth and skills in a region beyond the capital. One hallmark of the Governments approach to the constitutional struggle to hold the United Kingdom together has been a recognition that pro-Union policy is not simply a matter for a single department: it needs to run throughout the business of the State. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. Different NSE style local/commuter networks round the country. And Great Britain is more often than not used to mean the whole of England/Scotland/Wales, excluding Northern Ireland - a legacy of the Kingdom of Great Britain, which existed from 1707 to 1800. The WilliamsShapps plan recommended that there will be a single, unifying brand for railways, and it is expected that this will be a gradual rebranding over time. The United Kingdom is defined clearly on the passport .. the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. particularly associated with the depots at Old Oak Common and One of the worst liveries they ever carried, never seen a HST look so poor. TL:DR - if your a british collector, and you paint your own, PUT THE STRIPPER DOWN. OK, it's not a big change, but Germany tends to do rebrandings very infrequently. We need a sense of professionalism and togetherness, one branding brings that. [14] After this date, the passenger versions of Class 37 and 47, as well as Class 50, were routinely outshopped in this livery. The x-height of the lower-case lettering should be equal to the height of the horizontal arms in the symbol, so that the row of text appears to align with them. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago. There is surely a case at least for putting the cross-border inter-city services in national colours (perhaps an updated take on Network SouthEast), to match the saltires splashed all over Scotrail trains. Now the charge of English nationalism is a tedious, largely Remainer trope that I have dealt with elsewhere. A nod to the past in the liveries would be nice like with the modern GWR too. The standard livery for most British Railways steam locomotives was black, often with a thin red, cream and grey "lining" (trim), while express passenger locomotives were not painted "Brunswick Green" (Which was the former colour of the Great Western Railway) as is often stated, but were painted in British Standards: BS224 "Deep Bronze Green" also known as "Land Rover Deep Bronze Green LR001" with orange and black lining. He branded the Prime Minister an English nationalist, who was prepared to ignore Northern Ireland as the Conservatives have no electoral stake in the Province. Id like GN non-Moorgate stuff to join Greater Anglia, as they dont fit in LNER imo. They are an intercity operator. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Heh. Introduced originally by the Great Western Railway, the Travelling Post Office would set out from London in the dead of night and deliver . Not sure but I was also thinking of the winding up arrangements that would've taken place at privatisation i.e. When British Rail operations were divided into sectors in the mid-1980s, prior to privatisation, a new version of the Railfreight livery emerged giving the sectors individual identities. Swiss rail. [16] As well as rolling stock and multiple units, a number of Class 47 and Class 50 locomotives dedicated to Network SouthEast passenger services were painted in this livery. I really quite like that now. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . 1 Pre-corporate liveries 2 Early liveries 2.1 Coaching stock from 1948 2.2 The second phase 2.3 XP64 3 Rail Blue 3.1 Locomotives 3.2 Coaches and multiple units 3.3 Local variations 4 Moving away from Rail Blue 5 Sectorisation 5.1 InterCity 5.2 Network SouthEast 5.3 Regional Railways 5.4 Rail Express Systems 5.5 Railfreight Pre-corporate liveries Blue Pullman in grey and blue livery arriving at Bristol Temple Meads in 1973. I'd go along with that from a "looks right" perspective, but it would be almost impossible to see from (for instance) inside a train in darkness. Most of this nostalgia is from people who aren't old enough to remember just how rubbish latter day BR often was. It's a given that there will be brands underneath GBR - if there weren't, it would make travelling pretty complicated. A corporate livery was created for major express services in Scotland, which effectively consisted of the InterCity livery with the red stripe replaced by a light blue one. Agree, having at least 'intercity', 'regional' and 'metro' would be good. 1948 -. Although from the mid-1960s to the 1980s the organisation was associated with "Rail Blue", a number of other schemes were also used, especially when it was split into operating units or "sectors" in the mid-1980s. its going to be at least 6 months before we even get a branding document, and IMO over 2 years before we get any new liveries or Humbrol paints. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. In response to this announcement, the Great British Railways Transition Team is looking at changes to support the development of the new industry structure, and considering ways in which the current system can be simplified and improved. Something will need to be kept open for Open Access Operators to be distinguished. For me, it's time to sign off from the Great Western Railway Line. Why do most people go for a car that is mostly all one single colour. GBR will be made up of five regional divisions, organised in line with Network Rail's Putting Passengers First programme. Finsbury Park. In 2001, as passenger work for diesel locomotives operated by Virgin CrossCountry came to an end, a number of their Class 47s were painted in "heritage" liveries that they had carried in the past, including the former D1733, now 47853, which once again carried a near-correct version of the XP64 livery. Swiss style would be nice, British society & culture wouldn't allow this as we for example don't have direct democracy as in Switzerland this is a very good example of how it can work, credit to Dispatcher on the Stour on Twitter. Rail alphabet had the advantage of being clear, legible and was pretty much consistently applied. It isnt hard to believe that there may be some truth to the suggestion that Johnson would be less cavalier in his treatment of Ulster if it returned even a handful of Government MPs. The British Isles is a the collection of European islands consisting of Great Britain, the island of Ireland, Isle of Man and the northern islands that are part of Scotland. The colours were chosen to be different from those of any of the "Big Four" pre-nationalisation railway companies while retaining a traditional aspect. JavaScript is disabled. Or the awful corporate blue BR? | Page 27 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. Famous in York and up and down the East Coast Main Line, LNER could soon be consigned to history - again, YorkMix understands. Of course it's possible to do better, but I'd argue there are bigger priorities as long as the signage is fit for purpose. On 10 June 1986, British Rail launched Network SouthEast, an organisation designed to cut across the traditional regional boundaries and deliver a co-ordinated train service for London and the surrounding region. In the days of signs being hand painted/stencilled on enamel I would agree, but it is so much easier to make stuff look good these days that there is really no excuse for this sort of thing. If you run across land borders you're going to get it. This style of livery was also used by CSX Transportation. However many people were not happy with the loss of the traditional "historic" regional colour schemes as used by the former private companies. One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. I think there would be huge advantages of a standard livery and branding across the Britain, in saving money and presenting a unified product to the customer. Privacy Noticeand Website Accessibility. They retained this livery for some years, before being painted in Rail Blue when that became the norm. It would appear that were going to be waiting a while even for the new logo, and that given the recent nature of the franchise liveries, that new liveries are a very long way off. [18] GBR will own all infrastructure in Scotland and Wales that Network Rail owns now. I just see the thing as extremely surface level. I said this on another thread, but this is definitely a more appropriate one. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; It really wouldn't. BR's first standard locomotive liveries, adopted from 1949 onwards. | Page 15 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. Cross Country merged with EMT to form a brand called Midland Connect. This has been confirmed by records held at the National Railway Museum. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . This competition aimed to identify a place with a rich railway heritage, strong links to the national network and significant public support, while creating a great opportunity to promote the location as the proud home for the start of a new era in Britains railways. The pleasure's all mine. Our railways play a fundamental role in supporting the economic, environmental and social achievements of the country. If they are going down the GBR route, which is just nationalisation with extra steps, it needs to look the part (the national part, not the extra steps part). Today I would like to make a rather general suggestion rather than something specific. Why not capitalize on it? The Transport Secretary announced on 19 October 2022 that the Transport Bill which would have set up GBR would not go ahead in the current parliamentary session.[2]. It's only as complicated as you want it to be. In all of your concepts the Rail Symbol (double-arrow) is far too large for the accompanying lettering, if you're looking to be guided by the original design rules. Brunswick Green. Great British Railways (GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain,[1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. In 1964, as part of a plan to develop a new corporate image for British Railways, a number of experiments were tried; Discussions on the livery for British Railways coaching stock in 1948 eventually settled on a network-wide two-tone livery of crimson and cream for corridor coaches, with all-over crimson being used for local, non-corridor stock. London Midland (pre LNR), that was white on black but the same idea. Corridor coaching stock and certain express multiple unit classes were painted in Rail Blue with a 44-inch Pearl Grey (BS 2660-9-095) horizontal panel centred vertically on the main windows, outlined by a narrow white line. I'm not aware - what are TfW doing? GBR will absorb Network Rail, although overall strategic direction on infrastructure investment and fares strategy will remain with government. For example, GBR will apparently inherit from Network Rail the duty to run and plan the network, as well as providing online tickets, information and compensation for passengers nationwide. This opens up the possibility of a national ticketing app, with the Great British Railways branding. Consisting of three shades of grey and thus known as "triple grey Railfreight", the livery included logos on the sides and cabs of locomotives indicating which sector they belonged to. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and it's xenophobic, imperialist undertones me me want to vomit. It's good work (and the previous set). British Railways (BR), which from 1965 traded as British Rail, was a state-owned company that operated most of the overground rail transport in Great Britain from 1948 to 1997. There'll no doubt be someone on here who knows, one way or the other. I don't see what's wrong with Rail Alphabet which is rather older than the 1980s - to be frank the branding shouts 60s, a period of branding I personally like but obviously that *is* personal - although you could just use Frutiger to keep the tie in with the other large national service, the NHS ( who used to use Rail Alphabet too ). All HS2 and NPR services to be branded as Intercity Express. Steam locomotive 61306 Mayflower seen just outside Sittingbourne, Kent at lunchtime today. Eastfield TMD staff near Glasgow also embellished a few examples of the class 37/0's allocated to the depot with a lower bodyside white stripe in the mid-80s but were told to stop doing it and repaint the ones they'd already done back to the standard blue livery by the BR hierarchy. The new livery was used with the introduction of the Hastings Line electrification in 1986 to promote new electric trains on that line. You also get a more legible and cohesive transport system. British Railways coaches in the crimson and cream livery used from 1949 Discussions on the livery for British Railways coaching stock in 1948 eventually settled on a network-wide two-tone livery of crimson and cream for corridor coaches, with all-over crimson being used for local, non-corridor stock. Correct. They were numbered in two series, D5500-D5699 and D5800-D5862. Not even all yellow fronted anymore. Bland, cheap, unimaginative. A later version added a red stripe along the lower edge of the locomotive bodyside. There is also a British Standard paint colour BS381C 114 called Rail Blue which was introduced in 1964. But do you think Queen Nicola would accept trains branded as "Rail England" coming across the border? But thats the insidious appeal of nationalism: it willalwaysbe easier, in the short term, to spurn complicating national attachments in favour of tacking to local winds and making off with as much cash as you can lay your hands on. Existing leases of stations to devolved transport authorities will continue. But do we really want to go back to that? Why are so many cars driven around dirty with the user making no attempt to keep them clean? I personally do not think there should be a standard livery across the network on the grounds that regional identity would be lost. If it was, that format would not be used by: If you need any proof, they've also just done the same with 'Great British Nuclear'. Nothing to bring it all together. [15], Originally scheduled for May 2022,[14] a shortlist consisting Birmingham, Crewe, Derby, Doncaster, Newcastle upon Tyne, and York was announced in July 2022,[16] using the following criteria: alignment with "levelling up" objectives; connected and easy to get to; opportunities for GBR; railway heritage and links to the network; value for money; and public support. It still has to look good decades from now. [3] Goods (freight) services are operated by a number of companies, the descendants of those created during the 1990s privatisation. One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. Official Description. RM 2A03J14 - Sittingbourne, Kent, UK. The red stripe does work, very similar to what the Welsh are doing. Then theres the question of livery. This included many of the features which were later incorporated in the Mark 2, and trialled in an experimental train designated XP64. 1948 -. In 1977 two Class 47 locomotives, 47163 and 47164, were painted by Stratford TMD with silver roofs and other decorations including a full body height Union Flag on each side, in celebration of Queen Elizabeth II's silver jubilee. Not everyone has a smartphone and when the PIS is not working, I find it good to know where we've stopped. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. Oct 22, 2021 All that remains, is to remember the man who made the Journey possible; the greatest engineer of all time and the architect who built modern Britain - Isambard Kingdom Brunel. The first and second MKC signs are pretty classy and look good. This livery was known as Large Logo livery as each side of the locomotive was dominated by a full body height BR double arrow symbol, and had the loco number prominently displayed at twice the previous size. British Railways was formed in 1948, it was divided into geographical regions loosely based on the pre-war Big Four company areas, Scotland became a region on its own and the former LNER area was divided into North Eastern and Eastern Regions. It will replace Network Rail as the operator of rail infrastructure across all of Great Britain (excluding some Valley Lines in Wales and some Merseyrail lines). Bare minimum. What is wrong with different routes and regions having different liveries? As built it was a sort of purplish-red stripe with a lighter red shadow, then this changed to solid red in the late 90s/early 2000s. The first Class 31 entered service in November . Copyright 2023 Great British Railways Transition Team. You are using an out of date browser. In 1957 this changed to maroon with yellow markings and in 1963 bauxite with white lettering was adopted. [17] This livery is also often nicknamed 'toothpaste livery' by rail enthusiasts due to the multicoloured stripes resembling striped toothpaste. I can sort of understand lumping Moorgate services in with London Overground, but LNER to Kings Lynn has been suggested many times without any compelling reason as to why, beyond "something something intercity standard", This idea often seems to pop its head up. Erm are you sure about that? I could see those different types of logos being used across scenarios. All Regions. It's not going to be called Rail England and if it was, there'd be nothing "Queen Nicola" could do about it. I'm not convinced "InterCity" services warrant different branding now, as they are no longer of premium quality in terms of service provision; in many case they're just regional or commuter services (thinks XC and GWR in particular). | Page 23 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. I would say GWR (single colour) is a far better branding package than Avanti (3 colours). From July 1956 the Southern Region began using a 'coaching stock' green that was somewhat darker than the malachite green colour of the old Southern Railway and this extended to former Southern vehicles as well as Mk1 stock. Bare minimum, low effort. . This may well take time to introduce and rollout but my suggestion is as follows. Avanti merged with LNWR to form a GNWR brand. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? Its not as if they need the advertising, nor do their brands carry the historic and emotional heft that the famous schemes of the genuinely private railways did. But the point is that effort has gone into developing a brand and what it stands for, it isn't just harking back to the awful 1970s, a time people seem to be seeing with a large pair of rose tinted spectacles. 3 Apr 2022 . Great British Railways marks a new era in the history of our railways. In 1986 the British Railways Board divided its operations into a number of sectors (sectorisation).The sector responsible for long-distance express trains assumed the brand-name .
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